was surprised. he's usually much more energetic, he looked tired, and mr. romney, you know, he had his facts at his fingertips. he didn't do anything extraordinary, but he was just much more focused, so the contrast between romney and obama really put the governor over-the-top. i see it as more obama lost it than romney won it. bill: that is interesting. >> i'll tell you why in a moment. bill: before the debate started, you were encouraging romney to be aggressive, to really go for it, and rove and morris were saying to you, no, no, no that is not the way to go. >> right. and romney followed their advice and not mine, and that's where i think he made a mistake. when you're in a prize fight, a boxing match, and that's what a debate is, a verbal boxing match and you see your opponent tired or weak you go in and you hammer him. the governor didn't do that. what the governor should have done at the end when he clearly had won the debate, and he knew he had won, was in his closing statement of two minutes, said, look into the cameron said, i just want you to know that i feel compelled to improve
